Read Part One HERE
In this post I will focus on the view of John Piper, Chancellor of Bethlehem College and Seminary, Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA.
He has made the following statements
"So when God created man and woman He made us the way we are - with the differences of manhood and womanhood - so that we would be suited for these complementary roles (and for other complementarity outside marriage) In this drama man was meant to play the role of Christ, and the woman was meant to play the role of his Bride the Church."
"These differences are not the result of sin.... Before sin even entered the world God ordained and fitted Adam to be a loving, caring, strong leader for his wife Eve. And before sin entered the world God ordained and fitted Eve to be a partner who supports and honours that leadership and helps carry it through."
John Piper has stated the following on the role of women as pastors/leaders in churches based on his understanding of I Timothy 2:13,14
"The two arguments for not permitting a woman to have authority over men are:
1. The order of creation (man first, woman second) implies a unique leadership role for man.
2. The neglect of this divine pattern leads to transgression."
"Therefore, Paul's prohibition of women exercising an authoritative teaching office in the church has abiding validity today, because it is based not on culturally relative conditions but on the order of creation and the lessons that come from repudiation of that order."
John Piper's response to the question "What should a wife's submission to her husband look like if he is an abuser?" is as follows:
"If the abusing husband is simply hurting her, then she should endure verbal abuse for a season and endure perhaps being smacked one night before seeking help from the church."
In this post I will focus on the view of John Piper, Chancellor of Bethlehem College and Seminary, Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA.
He has made the following statements
"So when God created man and woman He made us the way we are - with the differences of manhood and womanhood - so that we would be suited for these complementary roles (and for other complementarity outside marriage) In this drama man was meant to play the role of Christ, and the woman was meant to play the role of his Bride the Church."
"These differences are not the result of sin.... Before sin even entered the world God ordained and fitted Adam to be a loving, caring, strong leader for his wife Eve. And before sin entered the world God ordained and fitted Eve to be a partner who supports and honours that leadership and helps carry it through."
John Piper has stated the following on the role of women as pastors/leaders in churches based on his understanding of I Timothy 2:13,14
"The two arguments for not permitting a woman to have authority over men are:
1. The order of creation (man first, woman second) implies a unique leadership role for man.
2. The neglect of this divine pattern leads to transgression."
"Therefore, Paul's prohibition of women exercising an authoritative teaching office in the church has abiding validity today, because it is based not on culturally relative conditions but on the order of creation and the lessons that come from repudiation of that order."
John Piper's response to the question "What should a wife's submission to her husband look like if he is an abuser?" is as follows:
"If the abusing husband is simply hurting her, then she should endure verbal abuse for a season and endure perhaps being smacked one night before seeking help from the church."
Read Part Four HERE
The Scriptures do not teach that the man plays the role of Christ and the wife plays the role of the Bride the Church in a marriage since both husband and wife are part of the Bride the Church. Moreover, all believers, be they male or female, are to be Christlike in their behaviour.
ReplyDeleteGod never ordained Adam to be a leader for his wife, not even a loving, caring, strong leader, since God told both the man and the woman to rule over creation (Genesis 1:26-28), which did not include one of them ruling over the other....
As for Paul's prohibition of women exercising an authoritative teaching office in the church, we know from Genesis 1:26-28 that God never set in place a so-called creation order since he did not give the man (Adam) a unique leadership role over the woman (who was named Adam as well see Genesis 5:2) but told them to rule over creation together as a team on a equal basis.... No doubt, this was to be done in perfect harmony.
Moreover, according to 2 Corinthians 5:17 Paul sees every believer, be they male or female as a NEW creation in Christ. He would, therefore, not take any believer, not even the believers in Ephesus, back to the original Creation and most certainly not to the Fall, to be living under that event....
As for John Piper allowing any husband to be verbally abusive for a season and even allow for some physical abuse,it is clear that he is not fit to be a leader/teacher/preacher in the Body of Christ.